Tuesday, November 27, 2018

Let's start at the front end of the Karina Vetrano Case --- what the timeline shows

First, Detective  Lieutenant John Russo singles out Chanel Lewis,  because he was a black man hanging around Howard Beach wearing clothes that seemed too heavy for the season  ---  he made sure that the local police took down Lewis' name and address, so they would have a record of his having a history of being in Howard Beach if anything happened in the future [this was months before Karina Vetrano's murder]



A day or two later, somebody in Howard Beach made a 911 call to report that a "Chanel Lewis" was behind one of the houses in Howard Beach with a crowbar [again, months before the Karina Vetrano murder]  ---  after local police interrogated Mr. Lewis to give an account of his comings and goings,  they took him to Far Rockaway, which is very far from Chanel Lewis' home in Brooklyn, and the police left him there alone



On the night that Karina Vetrano went missing, only a few hours after she had left to go running, her father, Philip Vetrano called a neighbor, who has been described by a police official as a "Chief" in the NYPD, to tell him that his daughter had recently gone missing and that Vetrano was putting together a search party to look for her. Even though she was only missing for a few hours,  the police sent detectives and a helicopter to aid Vetrano in his search



In spite of all the help, Vetrano found his daughter's murdered body all by himself. It was described as being near a marsh pool about fifteen feet off of the running/walking path in the Spring Creek Park section of the Gateway preserve  ---  a spot that has been described as hard to find in newspaper accounts



For about six months the regular efforts by the NYPD to follow-up on every lead resulted in no progress in locating Karina Vetrano's killer



It was then, six months into the murder investigation, that another Howard Beach neighbor of Mr. Vetrano,  Det. Lieut. John Russo  >>>  REMEMBERED <<<  Chanel Lewis, and Russo told investigators to look at him as a suspect in the Karina Vetrano case.  After a couple of days investigating and questioning Mr. Lewis,  with his full voluntary cooperation, along with that of his family, NYPD detectives had discovered and taken possession of  ALL THE EVIDENCE that they would need to charge Lewis for the Vetrano murder,  and to present at trial against him, including the very problematic DNA samples 



Here's an interesting tid-bit;  Det.Lieut. John Russo is the Chief of Detectives'  liaison to local detective squads.  His colleagues also say that he is an expert on NYPD  >>> procedures <<<

Russo might or might not be a great artist as a detective,  but he sure looks like he is one master framer.....

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why didn't Russo think about this Lewis guy right after the woman's murder? Then Lewis would have had Vetrano's DNA on him if he did it.
Obviously, Russo and the other police on the case thought hundreds of other leads were more promising.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to break up your conspiracy klatsch with a dose of reality but you can’t “plant” DNA underneath a victim’s fingernails. The defendant’s genetic material was found underneath the victim’s fingernails which is consistent with evidence of a struggle and probably a sign that she resisted the strangulation. Next we find his DNA on her neck sadly no surprise. Also find his genetic material on her cell phone. Come on guys give it a rest.

Anonymous said...

The jury heard all the evidence and they didnt buy it. Neither did the Judge.

Anonymous said...

Lots of idiot juries, just look at Casey Anthony verdict.

Anonymous said...

Juries go into a case looking to convict. The medical examiners testimony did not match the confession. The DNA looked like it was planted and everything about Lt Russo looks dirty.

Anonymous said...

You can’t plant a DNA match underneath fingernails. The people at the lab didn’t know who were the suspects and even if they did, what were they going to do, get his DNA and somehow put them underneath he fingernails? Come on guys give it up this is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

The DA and cops had confessions from The Central Park 5. That was false.

In summation the prosecutor told the jury the DNA matched the suspects. That was false and the reason why the city paid millions.

I'm white and I pay taxes. Dirty prosecutors like Hynes have cost us over 500 million dollars so far and none of the cops or prosecutors have been held accountable.

Anonymous said...

9:53 now has to write flat out falsehoods. Morgenthau never told the jury in the Central Park case that the DNA matched, he used the term "inconclusive". Here we have a one in six trillion match to the defendant. One in six trillion let that sink in. Sorry to scuttle your little conspiracy theory bs but this guy's DNA is all over the victim, nothing you say will or can change that fact.

Anonymous said...

10:31 seems to be forgetting one minor detail.

The Central Park 5 were framed by Morganthau. That cost us 36 million dollars you asshole.

Anonymous said...

Dullard dimwitted aspiring moron at 1:45, you can no longer argue the case at hand and couldn’t even accurately describe what happened with the DNA evidence in the Central Park case. But you don’t understand DNA and it would probably endanger what’s little left of your self esteem to try.

Galewyn Massey said...

RESPONSE: THE "SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I LEAVE THE ROOM AND YOU TRY TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS WITHOUT A REASONABLE ADULT AROUND --- OR --- DOESN'T ANYBODY AROUND HERE KNOW WHAT 'BOING-G-G-G' MEANS" EDITION

TO: "ANONYMOUS SAID... AT 5:42 AM"; "... AT 7:33 AM"; "... AT 9:48 AM"; "... AT 10:31 AM"; & "... AT 2:00 PM".....

--- AND ---

TO: "ANONYMOUS SAID... AT 7:20 AM"; "... AT 9:23 AM"; "... AT 9:53 AM"; & "... AT 1:45 PM".....

SUCH A SPIRITED "DEBATE" --- AND YOU STAYED "ON TOPIC" --- FOR THAT BOTH OF YOU NEED TO BE COMMENDED.....

HOWEVER, SOME CRITICISM IS IN ORDER, DON'T CHA TINK ?????


I think that both of you played a little fast and loose with the "facts" --- because, you see, in the case against Chanel Lewis there are NO FACTS..... There are news stories, there are allegations, there are charges, there are presentments, there are indictments, there is evidence, there is testimony of all kinds, and there are lots of arguments pro and con --- but there is one thing that there is not >>> FACTS.....

OKAY CLASS, AND WHY IS THAT ????? [Crickets.....] --- [Louder] OKAY CLASS, AND WHY IS THAT ????? [Under my breath] "Why do I bother ?" It's because in our legal system, the sole finders of fact on any and all disputed items put before them is >>> THE JURY OF THE DEFENDANT'S PEERS <<< (And as everybody should know by now, the jury could not decide, and they say they were hopelessly deadlock, on what the facts were and what those facts showed by way of the guilt or innocence of the defendant Chanel Lewis.

So, for example, when somebody like "Anonymous at 10:31 AM" says something like this: "... but this guy's DNA [referring to Chanel Lewis] is all over the victim, nothing you say will or can change that fact...." The first problem with his/her argument is that it simply is not a "fact" in ANY case against Chanel Lewis.

I also have to throw an "unsportsmanlike conduct" flag on this one: ".... Dullard dimwitted aspiring moron at 1:45, you can no longer argue the case at hand..." But, but, but, YOU DID IT FIRST when you brought up the Casey Anthony case a few comments above.....

As for my friend and BSI --- the "Central Park Jogger Case" is a good one to argue here, but you shouldn't get the details wrong --- it very much weakens one of your big sticks to beat the other side with and it allows them to "duck and cover"..... (see what I did there --- "duck and cover" would never work if the other guy has a big enough bomb [I know, I just said "stick"; but I'm on a roll here, so just let it go] .....)

And that brings me to my own mini-summation, of sorts. The jury in the "Chanel Lewis Case" would never have reneged in their deliberations if the prosecution had "a big enough bomb"..... And the trial judge would never have declared a mistrial after less than two complete days of deliberation >>> AND NOT A SINGLE READING OF AN "ALLEN CHARGE" TO THE JURY <<< if the prosecution had "a big enough bomb"..... Instead, the bomb launched against Chanel Lewis was very much like the bomb in Peter Seller's cult classic "The Mouse That Roared" --- it just went "BOING-G-G-G !"

November 27, 2018 at 6:07 PM Delete

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but I've always had a hunch that the dad did it.

Anonymous said...

These are the facts in Lewis.
The jury heard a confession and testimony about DNA. The jury was not convinced. I'm not convinced and neither is the press.

Put a 500k reward in front of an "off duty" cop and Poof !!!! All the evidence turns up on the cops days off. Wake up folks. Scarcella framed a dozen people for a few hours in overtime.

So what happened to the go fund me money?

Anonymous said...

Why isn't CNN on focusing this? They are too busy concerned with the caravan.

Anonymous said...

Gail, you had me until 'boing-g-g-g'; and that's in your title.
Why all the gs, 'boing' is bad enough without the fru-fru.
And, Gail, one last thing - I don't care what Wallace Shawn says, there's nothing funny about he word or sound 'boing'.

Anonymous said...

In this case the DNA of the defendant is a one in six trillion match and is on the neck of the victim underneath fingernails, and on her phone Gale, and your BSI whatever keeps talking about a crooked cop more like a dumb jury that just wanted to go home.

Anonymous said...

1 in six trillion. Sounds like that was an extensive test. Just how long does it take to analyze six trillion samples in the Queens (dumping ground for Crowley hacks) District attorneys Office?

Anonymous said...

Didnt Bob have a meeting in a pizza place tonight

Anonymous said...

Bob had 11 candidates for Public Advocate and a great turnout with lots of press. Eric is bussing in half of Queens so he doesn’t get booed out of the joint.

Anonymous said...

So Bob did have a meeting in a pizza place tonight

Anonymous said...

I googled about the half a million in the go fund me account and the talk was about setting up a scholarship fund. No news about the scholarships.

Anonymous said...

I think I read somewhere that the "Vetrano Scholarship Fund" was for the money raised in excess of the $250,000 "Reward" amount.

Anonymous said...

My guess is that when somebody on the jury, who knows something about statistics, heard the BS statistics being spouted by Linda Razzano during her testimony, they knew that she was NOT A RELIABLE WITNESS for anything.
The truth about the probabilities of a 'DNA match' using the 'DNA Profile Method' used by Ms. Razzano are more likely to be UNDER 1:300 and NOT OVER 1:6 Trillion. Razzano's number and the FBI's favorite number, OVER 1:4 Trillion, are just flat-out wrong statistics. They have been repeatedly debunked by other DNA experts and plain old statisticians.
Whoever is defending the DNA evidence in the Vetrano murder case on this blog, is either lying on purpose or is completely ignorant of all the articles published about the abuse of DNA evidence by prosecutors, as well as ON BEHALF OF DEFENDANTS.
Even more important for the arguments that person has made, there are well known cases of bad convictions from 'transfered fingernail DNA' from defendants with 100% airtight alibis. And those 'secondary DNA transfers' most often happen by those gathering the DNA samples and/or lab technicians that are handling multiple samples. If it can be done by accident, it can certainly be done on purpose.
DNA evidence is now being challenged so successfully by defendants' attorneys and DNA 'experts' that former U.S.A.G. Jeff Session publicly stated that he was worried that such challenges would undermine what had become one of the most effective tools for fighting crime.

Anonymous said...

This DNA talk has nothing to do with Capano.

Anonymous said...

During a very simple and understandable example, Chanel Lewis's lawyer got the prosecution's DNA 'expert' to admit under cross-examination that there were various scenarios in which DNA could be transferred from a person that never had contact with a victim or object at the crime scene.

Anonymous said...

Capano has nothing to do with this DNA talk, unless somehow he uses DNA evidence to embarrass Eric Ulrich at Liam's club tomorrow night.
Remember this, Eric Ulrich probably has been seen lurking around Howard Beach by Det. Lieut. John Russo, and it is also very possible that the local police have made a permanent record of that fact, just in case Ulrich does something there in the future.

Anonymous said...

There are so many stupid comments about DNA from people who fantasize about writing crime fiction all day. If there was DNA transfer the sample would be weak and the match would not be strong. Here the match is very strong one in six trillion and to the moron who wrote 1 in 300 if that was true it woudn’t be considered a match. But just keep doubling down, science means nothing when you have a conspiracy theory and an axe to grind.

Anonymous said...

I'm afraid that you aren't a very strong thinker; your intense language also suggests that you might you be a one of NYC's Finest de-dick-tives?
They do call you 'dicks' for a reason you know.

Anonymous said...

Surprise!

Capano is touting Curtis Sliwa for Public Advocate, largely on the basis of the Ulrich/Malliotakis feud.


Anonymous said...

Robert Capano wasn't satisfied being a terrible Republican candidate for anything, and he over night became a former Republican and failed 'leader' of a failed third party for which he was also once a terrible candidate, who got almost no votes. Again over night, Capano has decided become a barker for a geek show, and the biggest geek in his show is Curtis Sliwa

Anonymous said...

Ah the trust funders from the Upper East Side are at it again with their bizarre unhealthy obsession with Bob Capano...Hey kids... go get a real job one that’s not arranged by Mommy, Daddy, Jerry, or Liam and where you actually have to physically show up to work once in a while and then try lecturing Bob about success.

Galewyn Massey said...

RESPONSE: THE "IT WAS MY MISTAKE" EDITION

TO: THE COMMENTERS ABOVE APPARENTLY ONLY INTERESTED IN LIAM, ULRICH AND CAPANO

IT WAS MY MISTAKE TO TIE ERIC ULRICH INTO THIS HOWARD BEACH VETRANO MURDER MESS --- AT THE TIME I DID IT, IT LOOKED LIKE A GOOD IDEA --- ESPECIALLY SINCE HE WAS SOON GOING TO APPEAR AT LIAM MC CABE'S NEW VERRAZANO [DON'T THEY NEED ANOTHER "Z" OVER THERE ???] REPUBLICAN CLUB

NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ULRICH STUFF IS A BIG DISTRACTION FROM A GROWING REAL DEBATE ABOUT BAD POLICE WORK, BAD PROSECUTING WORK, BAD MEDICAL EXAMINER WORK & THEN TESTIMONY, AND BAD SELF-SERVING JUDGE WORK, LETTING ILLEGALLY OBTAINED DNA EVIDENCE TO BE USED AT TRIAL

... and we haven't even started talking about the scumbag self-serving judge, Gregory Lasak, who resigned from the bench shortly after his boggus ruling on a motion to suppress both a wrongly-obtained confession and illegally gathered DNA evidence.

Remember, at the very beginning I said that this case stinks to high heaven, because everything about it is just a little too "SPECIAL".....

There was special NYPD treatment for this defendant, Chanel Lewis, even before any murder had been committed, and it was by the very same special detective who would later "solve" the Vetrano murder case (and be eligible for a special large reward) after suggesting that his new special friend >>> Chanel <<< should be the prime suspect. And of course, there was the very special NYPD treatment looking for the Vetrano family's very special daughter almost from the moment she went missing, up to the moment she was found and man-handled at the murder scene by her father (and the poor young Vetrano woman's name wasn't even "JonBenet").

BTW, there's much more to come about the ME's Office and its special treatment of the "evidence" in this case, especially when it comes to members of the Vetrano family and what they wanted done.....

Anonymous said...

Gail, this is your best creative writing yet, 'special detective' - 'special friend' - 'scumbag judge' - 'Jon Benet'.
Tying this case into the Jon Benet Ramsey fiasco is absolutely fabulous.
I can't wait for your next episode.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what 7:59 means. Yes Jon Benet was murdered but the DA in that case never framed anyone.

Anonymous said...

7:59 must watch a lot of TV. And the "absolutely fabulous" line leads one to believe he is a Johnny Mathis fan.

Anonymous said...

JonBenet case has no similarity to this case. The DNA in this case is very strong despite some of the best efforts by the troglodyte posters.

Anonymous said...

DNA in this case is very strong? If its as scientific as some simpletons believe DNA is neither strong or weak.

Anonymous said...

Just because bob failed as a republican and is no longer a chairman of a fringe (not third) party wont stop him from living in pizza places.

Anonymous said...

8:52 actually if a DNA sample only has a few markers and or is comingled with other DNA material it is not considered a strong sample. Look at CODIS standards for further illumination. You're welcome.

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Anonymous said...

Professor, Columnist, Business Executive , chairman , Transition Committee Member for State Senator- Elect Gounardes,

Keep them envious! Way to go..you really have publicly e mbarassed Liam, Kassar, etc. by showing all the hypocrisy of these so called Republicans and conservatives backing Ulrich with what they did to Malliotakis. Clearly they are not happy with the spotlight you have brought to this..I hear the Brooklyn Paper is working on a story on this also

Anonymous said...

Not sure what that “infamous” picture of Bob on the subway shows but what it proves is that Jerry and Liam and maybe others have brought in potentially unstable stalkers from out of town into South Brooklyn to do their bidding for them since few who know them probably want to deal with them.

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Anonymous said...

was hynes the hero or is it heroe of howard beach

Anonymous said...

brooklynreporter.com/2018/11/gounardes-strikes-bipartisan-note-on-transition-team/

Anonymous said...

Capano has certainly been mopping the floors with Kassar and Liam lately

Anonymous said...

Come January, no one will care about k assar or any of his cronies, including liam

Anonymous said...

Hey, 943, CODIS-schmodis! CODIS compliant data can't identify anybody to any degree of certainty. At best it can show is that a statistically significant number of key loci within a DNA sample match up with similar loci in another DNA sample, very often within the FBI's CODIS data base. Interestingly, for over six months, the police told us that their technical people couldn't 'match' the DNA found on Karina Vetrano's body and phone with any viable suspects.....
The CODIS standards are 100% law enforcement clap-trap. CODIS means 'Combined DNA Index System'; pretty much it is an FBI software package used to connect law enforcement laboratories housing U.S. DNA data at the local, state, and national level. The FBI describes it like this: 'The Combined DNA Index System, or CODIS, blends forensic science and computer technology into a tool for linking violent crimes. It enables federal, state, and local forensic laboratories to exchange and compare DNA profiles electronically, thereby linking serial violent crimes to each other and to known offenders. Using the National DNA Index System of CODIS, the National Missing Persons DNA Database also helps identify missing and unidentified individuals...." In other words it is DNA sampling, DNA loci comparisons from collected samples, and number crunching --- that's it. (Just remember, it wasn't that long ago that the vaunted FBI crime lab was shown up to be an absolute shit show rife with bad techniques and outmoded practices that, once revealed, jeopardized thousand of convictions).

However, if the FBI's CODIS data were accurate --- using the FBI's DNA profiling standards each strong DNA sample would 'match' to a ratio of about 1: 5000 of those in the data base, with an exact duplicate 'match' occuring at a ratio of 1: 60,000.

Now, let me abuse the data the same way as 943 and some other commenters have on this blog defending the DNA evidence against CHanel Lewis. If the FBI's DNA data were statistically expanded to the whole population and not just convicted offenders and the few others in the FBI data base, YOUR DNA SAMPLE could possibly fit a profile shared by as many as 60,000 other people in America, and possibly exactly match on all loci with about 4000 or 5000 people --- however, it could also equally result in ratios several factors smaller than that.

Like they say, figures don't lie, but liars can figure.....