Wednesday, September 24, 2014

Bay Ridge Community Council Debate called by some a “Romp” for Republican-Conservative Candidates — Others saw it differently


Some say “Old Pro” Marty Golden repeatedly got the upper hand on neophyte Jamie Kammerer  —   Others think that Jamie Kemmerer more than held his own in this, his first debate  —   And that Marty Golden let Kemmerer’s corruption barbs get under his skin

Former DA Hynes’ operatives show up at debate to root for and help out State Senator Golden

Debates also included Assembly Members Nicole Malliotakis (R-C Staten Island/Bay Ridge) and Alec Brook-Krasny (D Bay Ridge/ Brighton Beach) and their opponents Marty Beth Melendez (D) and Stamatis (Steve) Lilikakis (R-C)

Congressman Grimm, like the cheese, stands alone



Last night there was a gathering of pols and wonks that some have referred to as “The Great Bay Ridge Debate,” hosted last night by the Bay Ridge Community Council at Holy Angels Academy (Our Lady of Angels), a Catholic school located at 74th Street and 4th Avenue in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.

This was a relatively unpublicized and largely unanticipated event, but it was by most estimates well-attended and it should be well-reported upon.

State Senator Marty Golden and Democratic challenger James Kemmerer, a first-time candidate might well have been the most interesting “pairing” at the debate.

During a rapid fire tit for tat, whenever Jamie Kemmerer, the Democrat nominee,  tried to get into the issue of corruption by using newspaper reports of Golden's questionable campaign financial transactions, Golden fended it all off with moral indignation, even implying that Kemmerer and his sources were irresponsible liars. Then Golden turned the tables on the political newcomer by countering the Democrat’s claim that Kemmerer was the state senate candidate that would best represent local working families. Golden scolded Kemmerer for having moved too many times over the past ten years to adequately represent the people of Bay Ridge. All in all Golden looked like the old pro, who had done his homework; and Jamie Kemmerer looked surprised that Golden didn’t wilt at the first mention of corruption, but instead made Kemmerer look bad for bringing it up in the first place.

Most important, Golden was able to keep his main focus on all the supposed funding he had brought home over the years by delivering a rapid-fire list of appropriations he had brought home to the district. Again, Golden looked like the old pro and Kemmerer the tyro.

Even the clearly Democrat-leaning Kip of the blog “Bay Ridge Journal” thought that the night had obviously gone Marty Golden’s way ( See “Republicans Romp at "The Great Bay Ridge Debate" by Kip, 9/24/14, Bay Ridge Journal/ The View from My Block [http://bayridgejournal.blogspot.com/2014/09/republicans-romp-at-great-bay-ridge.html]).

One of Kemmerer’s cornermen saw it quite differently, “Kemmerer was calm and composed while debating, which was especially impressive since Jamie was a first-time candidate and this was his first debate. It takes real balls to sit next to Marty and say what he said....”  The partisan Democrat went on to say that  “... Marty was FURIOUS. He thinks he's beyond reproach. After Jamie rattled off every public allegation under the sun [...] Marty basically scolded Jamie and said he wasn't allowed to do that. Whose rule is that Jerry Kassar’s, or did Marty just make it up last night ?”  One of Kemmerer’s top advisers implied that there will be lots more of the same for the rest of the campaign — “This [stuff] really gets under Marty's skin. So he's either totally innocent or really [something ending in “ing”] guilty because he [Golden] takes it very, very personal[ly]....”

Another supporter of the Democratic Party candidate for State Senate said this: “Kemmerer, I thought was excellent and kept honing in on the Moreland commission and the numerous shady deals Golden has made over the years. The audience seemed oblivious ( ‘the auditorium was packed with all Grimm/Golden supporters...’).”

AND IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE MORE OF THE HYNES-GOLDEN CONNECTION WAS ON DISPLAY AT THE DEBATE

Also this was quite a relevant observation by one of my key operatives that was at the debate. It is related to other matters that have been discussed on this blog: “Larry Morrish had two of his questions read (Morrish is a key Marty Golden supporter, who has been mentioned in connection with the Hynes “Asset Forfeiture Scandal”) ....   and another Hynes [campaign person] who hung around the [DA’s Office] during the [2013 General Election campaign for DA] also had her question read....  Golden thanked the Hynes [campaign person] by name from the dais after he answered her question.  [Those two Hynes people were there along with] some faces from the infamous Hynes campaign bus that traveled around Brooklyn [during the 2013 General Election campaign for DA].”

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

if the Senate race becomes a referendum on Hynes than Marty has trouble.

Anonymous said...

I agree. Last evening I submitted a question to the Hynes issue but for some reason it was not presented to the candidates. Immediately after the DOI report on Hynes' alleged thefts and improprieties was made public, Senator Martin Golden supported Hynes stating to a reporter that he believed Hynes was still an honest player. No other politician in New York or anywhere spoke out in support of Hynes. My question for Senator Golden was whether he still held that view in light of recent revelations that his own staff member Larry Morrish was paid fraudulently by Mr. Hynes. I also wanted to know if Senator Golden would accept an express endorsement from Mr. Hynes and perhaps even invite Mr. Hynes to campaign for him. But the moderator did not choose my questions unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

Yeah Kemerer was calm.

Thats how I'd describe his campaign. Calm.

Galewyn Massey said...

UPDATE & BACKFILL: THE “MISSED DEBATE IS PROBABLY MORE THAN RECCHIA’S EXPLANATION SO FAR” EDITION

RECHHIA CAMPAIGN OWES BROOKLYNITES A BETTER EXPLANATION FOR MISSING BAY RIDGE DEBATE THAN SOME SO-CALLED “SCHEDULING CONFLICT”

GRIMM CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO PRESS THE ISSUE: WHY DID RECCHIA MISS THE BRCC DEBATE ?

Earlier today, I minimized and was a little dismissive about the significance of Democratic Candidate Domenic Recchia’s absence from the Bay Ridge Community Council Debate at another thread on this blog as follows: “(See ‘GOP Rep. Michael Grimm goes it alone at Brooklyn debate; Assemblywoman Malliotakis, challenger Melendez trade views’ by Tom Wrobleski, 9/23-9/24/14, SI Advance/ silive.com
[http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/09/grimm_goes_it_alone_at_brookly.html]). *** The Democratic Party candidate Domenic Recchia took an apparent hit by missing the debate because of a ‘scheduling conflict’. However, the move might turn out to be a brilliant strategic move since the GRIMM ON GRIMM monologue showed the world what a nut Congressman Grimm really is....” (See my 9/24/14 comment, “UPDATE: THE ‘GRIMM EXPOSES HIMSELF’ EDITION” to the 9/23/14 post below, “‘BELL for Congress 2014' to seek new life as a ‘Write-in Campaign’ ”).

Another paper made this report about Recchia’s absence from the BRCC debate: “Recchia had sent his regrets to the Bay Ridge Community Council, the sponsor of the Sept. 23 debate held at Holy Angels Catholic Academy, according to Alexander Conti, chairman of the council’s Public Affairs Committee. Recchia’s campaign told the council he had a scheduling conflict and would not be on hand to debate Grimm....” (See “Grimm, all alone at debate, assails Recchia’s readiness – U.S. Rep. Challenger’s spokesperson shoots back at indicted pol” by Paula Katinas, 9/24/14, Brooklyn Daily Eagle [http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2014/9/24/grimm-all-alone-debate-assails-recchia%E2%80%99s-readiness]).

According to the Brooklyn Eagle and Staten Island Advance articles mentioned above, even though Congressman Grimm took several swipes at his opponent, Mr. Recchia, none specifically took issue with the fact of Mr. Recchia’s absence from the Bay Ridge Community Council Debate and/or Recchia’s threadbare excuse for not attending it.

One of my Baker Street crew, who has been a longtime observer of Bay Ridge politics, made this observation to me this evening: “This ‘scheduling conflict’ story really doesn’t add up. *** To the Bay Ridge types, even those supporting Recchia, very little else would be more important than showing up at a Bay Ridge debate – and the Recchia Campaign’s failure to properly explain it is a slap in the face to Bay Ridge and Bay Ridgeites. *** Recchia is either taking all Bay Ridge voters for granted; or Recchia was locked up with wine-stained lips in some drunk tank or some other re-hab.”

I think it’s much more likely that Domenic Recchia was doing some big time fund raising out of town (but in a district that once boasted Vito Fossella, who knows).

In any case, with less than six weeks left until the election, Recchia owes his Brooklyn voters a better explanation for missing one of the very few scheduled debates or forums on the Brooklyn side of the 11th C.D. Congressman Grimm needs to go at this hard. On behalf of all the voters in Bay Ridge and the rest of Brooklyn, he needs to ask Recchia why he took a pass on their first scheduled debate, and one of the few scheduled in Brooklyn.

Anonymous said...

Why would Domenic Reccia participate in a debate being run by Ted General? I know that name. I remember now where I saw it. Reccia was wise to stay far away from OLA Tuesday evening. Hopefully, both he and Kemmerer will have a chance to debate their counterparts with Errol Louis on NY1 or in another non-partisan forum.

Anonymous said...

What possible excuse could the participation of one of Bay Ridge's senior activists be? "Generally Speaking" is the Times, News and Post of Bay Ridge activists of all categories and descriptions. Ted General is widely respected and a perfect host for any debate or forum.

What do you think, Recchia is holding out for Fran Vella-Marone?

Anonymous said...

PASS -- FAIL

Recchia took a pass, because he was afraid he would fail --

Galewyn Massey said...

UPDATE: THE “HOW LONG IS LONG ISLAND” EDITION

COULD SUDDEN “GAME CHANGER” WITHDRAWAL OF NASSAU COUNTY DEMOCRAT, DENENBERG, FROM CONTESTED STATE SENATE RACE ACTUALLY HELP KEMMERER’S RACE AGAINST GOLDEN IN BROOKLYN

Could ripples from Dave Denenberg’s legal billing problems at his old law firm on Long Island be a “game changer” for Jamie Kemmerer’s and Marty Golden’s State Senate race in Brooklyn ?

Strategists for the Senate Democratic Conference are looking for ways how to change the “game changer” withdrawal of Deneberg from the race in the 8th S.D., so as not to disrupt their plans to return the NYS Senate to Democratic control.

How does politics in Nassau County have anything to do with the Golden-Kemmerer race in the 22nd S.D. in Brooklyn? It gives greater impetus to the Democrat Conference's “spread the map” tactics that could include some additional funding for Democrat Jamie Kemmerer’s anti-corruption campaign against Republican-Conservative incumbent State Senator Martin Golden.

Anonymous said...

MARTY NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE, HE HAS LONG OVER STAYED IS WELCOME AND WOULDN'T KNOW UP FROM DOWN OR RIGHT FROM WRONG. HE'S A HYNES CRONY, AND ONE OF THE WORSE!!

Anonymous said...

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